Ive got a question which was not covered by the post. This might sound a little out there but wouldn't a player who is threatening to committ suicide due to in game actions also be considered a violation of the EULA/TOS? It is a threat, it is harassment and a case could be made that it is cyberbullying.

I'm not trolling, or trying to attack the offended player. I'm not a mindless Goon trying to start more drama. But I am interested on what CCP's stance on this is.

No, CCP was just there implicitly urging everyone to get hammered because Fanfest is (rightfully) a "party" atmosphere.

Then some crybabies cried crocodile tears simply because someone they don't like said something that they considered a HUGE OUTRAGE

Those are actually traits I look for in people I invite to come play Eve. Because they're honest.

No, I don't, but I am just stating my position on the chance that they do, and hope that others have the sense to do the same. I'd rather play WoW than play a game where this kind of behavior is allowed.

'Kill yourself' - that's the message sent by Alex Gianturco of Eve Online to fellow player 'The Wis', who wrote to the Mittani (Gianturco's pseudonym) a heart-wrenching letter saying he was contemplating suicide.

The Wis, who's real name is unknown, spoke of being abandoned by his wife, robbed of his children, and left with nothing.

But that had no effect on Gianturco, known by many in the Eve community for being cruel, aggressive and pompous.

Speaking before hundreds of people gathered at an Eve convention in Iceland, Gianturco, drunk into a stupor, called for players to spam 'The Wis' with in-game mail and to encourage him to, quote - "Kill himself".

His words, however, prompted an unprecedented outrage.

Thousands of players flooded the official Eve Online forums demanding CCP Games take action, questioning why Game Masters had no acted on what was apparently a felony - assisting suicide.

The reaction was so tremendous, that journalists from a specturm of gaming websites rushed to investigate.

According to them - Gianturco has a history of violent episodes, and is a known cyber-bully.

In game, he leads the "Goonswarm" guild, composed of a similarly minded group of online thugs who by all appearances enjoy piling torment and anguish on their fellow players.

So far, CCP has issued a 30-day ban for Gianturco, and forced him to resign from the game's player council called the CSM.

"This has been long in coming" said one avid ********** poster named Opti, "For 8 years Gianturco has organized website attacks, sent out threats and flooded forums with spam".

"We will not stand for it anymore" he added.

Another active Eve Online player known as Riverini, who competed against Gianturco for a seat on the in-game council spoke of voter intimidation and organized ballot stuffing, with Goonswarm using multiple characters and multiple accounts, either owned by them or hacked, to make sure Gianturco got what he wanted.

But Gianturco remains at large and undaunted.

He has now called on his followers to harass and liable any journalist that dares speak out against him.

The first victim has become Brendan Drain of Massively, who has already received death threats over his article on the matter.

"It's absolutely deplorable what he has gotten away with" said another player, named PenifSmash "I have tried, and I will continue to try hard, because that's what I do best, to bring light to the Mittani's actions".

Police have allegedly become involved in the matter, and a cyber law enforcement source says Gianturco may be facing federal charges for what some call a decade long online terror-spree.

"Slaps myself on the head."

So I finaly saw it on youtube. What's the fuss about?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI

Maby i don't have the full link.

People keeping tossing Terms of Service and EULA around as if that's the end of the issue. Mittani signed another document with CCP when he joined CSM, the non-disclosure agreement. It governs the behavior CCP expects of members of the CSM. Unless you have read it you have no idea what's in it. So you don't have any idea what agreement this guy actually violated.

If you search through all this welter of threads you'll see a quote from this agreement which, if accurate, indicates that CSM members are expected to go beyond the other agreements in their conduct.

10,000 votes don't invalidate anybody's obligation to behave in a respectable way in public. This guy was the head of the CSM and he acted out at a forum that got the gamer press involved and caused yet more public relations problems for CCP. Kicking him off the CSM was about the least action they could be expected to take.

This kind of PR disaster costs the company money and time.

this is why ppl should NOT just "let it go"
Enough ppl get behind it an ccp will boot him to the curb

And no... not "every single polarizing player"
Every single Sociopath trying to get someone to hurt themselves or others OVER A VIDEO GAME

Jeez you Goons are thick
Or just that far up you leaders' ass you cant see daylight, which explains why you cant see him do wrong

thank you for proving my point

The Mittani encouraged others to go after someone[i] in order to drive them to suicide

wow what an interesting world you live in. You should try some time in the real one. We have cookies

he told thousands of people to pressure him into suicide....

I get it, youre trolling. typical goon alt, move along

guess you missed the part where he said to find him and make him kill himself. go watch it again, this time with the sound on. Might help

In any case, CCP apparently does not think that what he did was the same as killing a dude's ship in game. So even if you do not see the difference, you should be safe from banning.

I don't personally believe for a moment that was the case. But whatever. Tinfoil is tinfoil and won't change to anything else by us talking about it, and I doubt even a dev coming up and telling you that YES, there was a difference, would not remove it.

What would make more sense? Report button for people who say they are suicidal and forwarding their personal information to the local authorities. If we are serious about this, that is the way to go.

lol? you are actually saying he got special treatment because of his friends in CCP?
YEAH youre right, that totally justifies him.

you have definitely twisted everything around, turned it inside out and upside down

.... Most of the world's population views it as morally and sociably unacceptable which could also include legal ramifications for all parties involved....

[quote=Azran Zala]
Review the video again. You must have missed the part where Mittens solicited audience members to join and "help" make the guy commit suicide. It was pretty clear. There was no interpretation of his wording. He SOLICITED help specifically for the purposes of driving the guy to suicide.

The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. [u][i][b]There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.

...CCP is complicit in this whole fiasco. No wonder they're locking every thread about the situation except this one buried in the Dev blogs that are about as navigable as a maze with no exit.

Should real authorities get involved I would not want to be Hilmar.

Mitanni alt detected.

There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over yourself.

Right, because anytime someone says they're going to do something and then does it, it's completely unrelated. Got me there. I bow to your prowess of logic.

Unfortunately for Mitanni, that video coupled with a prepared slide, the former telegraphing his plan for fanfast & the latter facilitating it, is a clear line of evidence that would indeed support that it was premeditated.

But not the intellect to understand this is exactly what happens in cases of bullying right up until it goes too far. Go read about bullying, cases that have seen the light of day and you'll see parents and friends stating exactly what you have, "They were joking., "They didn't mean it", "They're good kids". And yet a child was driven to the point of suicide. Alex on the other hand is an adult, a lawyer, and should already be aware of this. I can only conclude that he's a poor adult and a horrible lawyer.

Besides that he intended to ridicle the antics of miners and titan pilots.
And the person that he specifically named was a miner. Got me again. Absolutely no correlation what-so-ever. The logic is strong in you!

but he did made that crazy move and now there are 10058 people crying ,bc he ****** up

All I can say is, another Mitanni alt detected. It's not even a nice try Alex. It's a sorry attempt to unlink a clear line of evidence.

a lot of Goons have QWERTY in mirror writing al over their forehead lately ,how come?

When someone says they're going to do something giving a date, time and place they're going to do it, then shows up at the exact location, date and time they said they would and do exactly what they said they'd do....well, yeah, can't really see how you and others can insist that the two incidents are not related. Should I conclude that your mental faculties are deficient and start using pictures?

Now, if only people would accept that there was a genuine problem and not a 'non-event' then there would really be nothing left to talk about but as long as the propaganda machine keeps on pushing the damage limitation line other people are going to push back.

Edit - Basically, take it on the chin, stop trying to minimise what was a fairly serious thing and you remove the motivation for other people to paint it as a VERY serious thing by way of counterbalance.

Although this video has now mysteriously been deleted i heard for myself that Mitanni had planned this for a long time.

I totally agree he should be permanently banned from the game.

This could result in criminal action. Inciting a vulnerable member of society to kill themselves has been prosecuted before and if CCP don't act it reflects bad on them.

Here in the UK it's treated extremely seriously.


Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/19/campaign-new-homicide-law-inciting-suicide

CCP ought to check with their lawyers as i bet this guy could sue!

If CCP were "entirely justified" they would have called the cops the moment it became apparent to them (read: fanfest) that this "victim" was "suicidal."

Notice how that hasn't happened?

Yet we have it on authority from CCP that their policy (regardless of context--their wording not mine) is to call law enforcement every time. This is as much about caring for the person as it is about keeping people from mindlessly using the suicide card.

Think about it. CCP is not "entirely justified". Not even close.

1) CCP needs to deal with this by contacting law enforcement. Fake suicide threats are serious business.

2) CCP's punishment against The Mittani is entirely baseless. No victim means no offense. If the guy isn't suicidal, then all this can possibly boil down to is sarcasm and allegory.

You can ask The Wis whether he's gotten any calls from local law enforcement. No need to play the enforced-ignorance card.

1) I know for a FACT authorities were NOT informed.

The guy didn't have to die. Inciting a vulnerable person to kill themselves is harassment and in the UK people have gone to jail for that even thought the victim of the harassment didn't succeed in killing themselves.

Like i said in some countries perpetrators of causing mental anguish and inciting suicide have been prosecuted. Look it up.

Also if he still goes on to commit suicide you can bet CCP will be questioned.

Can you read?

... just because law officials are notified, by some company from another country, that someones feeling "rather sad" doesnt mean they'll send a squad car over to his house or even take it seriously.

Also not everyone provides their real details when signing up for accounts over the internet.

Where is the vitriol at his local donut-eater station then? Who will champion this poor sad man teetering near the edge?

It's hard to answer the real ******* questions, isn't it?

Sure, here goes:

Who will champion this sad man teetering on the edge in a way that is selfless and not self-serving in the context of a subscription-based video game or the company who runs it?

Any takers?

Where I'm from in the 21st century we have police who undergo sensitivity training, including how to deal with persons of various mental illness. This includes depression.

Due to the investment value such education entails, officers are expected to act on information received as part of their duty to "serve and protect."

So I think we both know who the one entity is here who can actually act selflessly for this poor sad man.

Go ahead and say the name. It's OK.

lol good one!

But hey, on the bright side, if he does it sounds like it'd be easy enough to just be fodder in your neighborhood.

In fact in such an environment it seems unlikely that we'd find somebody as sad as [REDACTED].

Darwin et al.

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